Comments on: Fidelity http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/ Heathenry, and the religious world in which it exists Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:41:24 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Bernulf http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-360 Bernulf Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:52:28 +0000 http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-360 <i>"Thanks again for pointing out the reciprocal nature of the virtues."</i> Not a problem, Angiportus, it's what I'm here for :-) Regarding the corporations as the new nobility, I think history has proven to us that <i>noble</i> and <i>the</i> nobility aren't necessarily related - and with the reciprocal nature of this virtue, I think this is where the difference between <i>fidelity</i> and <i>obedience</i> comes into play (the State, too, for that matter). “Thanks again for pointing out the reciprocal nature of the virtues.”

Not a problem, Angiportus, it’s what I’m here for :-) Regarding the corporations as the new nobility, I think history has proven to us that noble and the nobility aren’t necessarily related – and with the reciprocal nature of this virtue, I think this is where the difference between fidelity and obedience comes into play (the State, too, for that matter).

]]> By: Angiportus http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-358 Angiportus Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:44:44 +0000 http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-358 Given my experiences, I find it impossible to think of corps. and CEO's as any sort of nobility. Trolls and mindless giants come more to mind. Actually it wasn't the CEO's that did most of the shafting in my case, but people farther down, and the state. Still, there might be some good ones out there--I hope so-- and some people who can take on this one better than I. Thanks again for pointing out the reciprocal nature of the virtues. Given my experiences, I find it impossible to think of corps. and CEO’s as any sort of nobility. Trolls and mindless giants come more to mind. Actually it wasn’t the CEO’s that did most of the shafting in my case, but people farther down, and the state. Still, there might be some good ones out there–I hope so– and some people who can take on this one better than I.
Thanks again for pointing out the reciprocal nature of the virtues.

]]> By: Bernulf http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-355 Bernulf Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:06:58 +0000 http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-355 Pacification via chocolate - perhaps an international day of chocolate would be in order :-) With fidelity and the workplace, I think it would be interesting to open up discussion here and see where it goes, especially treating corporations and business owners as the modern nobility - your thoughts on the matter would be a great start! Also, with <i>machismo</i> and <i>masochism</i>, I had also not realized how nearly identical the words appear to one another - that's kind of peculiar. Pacification via chocolate – perhaps an international day of chocolate would be in order :-) With fidelity and the workplace, I think it would be interesting to open up discussion here and see where it goes, especially treating corporations and business owners as the modern nobility – your thoughts on the matter would be a great start!

Also, with machismo and masochism, I had also not realized how nearly identical the words appear to one another – that’s kind of peculiar.

]]> By: Angiportus http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-354 Angiportus Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:31:55 +0000 http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-354 Point taken--I didn't mean to insult all monotheists, at least not now that I've had my chocolate. But if you ever want to take on fidelity and the workplace (and the business world), I bet that'd be a good read too. I had never before noticed how machismo and masochism are near-anagrams--coincidence, of course... Point taken–I didn’t mean to insult all monotheists, at least not now that I’ve had my chocolate. But if you ever want to take on fidelity and the workplace (and the business world), I bet that’d be a good read too.
I had never before noticed how machismo and masochism are near-anagrams–coincidence, of course…

]]> By: Bernulf http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-351 Bernulf Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:59:13 +0000 http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-351 Angiportus, thank you for your comment! I'm glad my essays have thus far helped - I figure even if people disagree completely with what I'm saying, at least they will have to think about why they disagree. If I've actually managed to help you put your own thoughts into words, then I think that's awesome! With regard to why people choose <i>any</i> religion or god, I figure that's their business, as I'm happy enough with mine; and don't care too much for trying to insult people for their religious paths (referring to your "<em>vicarious machismo, inverted into masochism</em>" comment). Business, corporations, and fidelity is an interesting topic in its own right ;-) Angiportus, thank you for your comment!

I’m glad my essays have thus far helped – I figure even if people disagree completely with what I’m saying, at least they will have to think about why they disagree. If I’ve actually managed to help you put your own thoughts into words, then I think that’s awesome!

With regard to why people choose any religion or god, I figure that’s their business, as I’m happy enough with mine; and don’t care too much for trying to insult people for their religious paths (referring to your “vicarious machismo, inverted into masochism” comment).

Business, corporations, and fidelity is an interesting topic in its own right ;-)

]]> By: Angiportus http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-350 Angiportus Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:01:45 +0000 http://heathenblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/fidelity/#comment-350 Thanks. Each of your essays has helped me understand these virtues a little better. Sometimes you say something that I already felt but didn't quite know how to say yet. I had been saying for many decades, though, that I felt no obligation to be loyal or respectful to a god or goddess that clearly had no respect for me. I would rather get behind something that was not all-powerful but really did want the best for me, than an entity that was omnipotent but let some very bad things happen to good people. I suspect it is a form of vicarious machismo, inverted into masochism, that makes people cling to the latter sort of deity, but that's just my guess. In my experience, temp agencies and their customers are singularly lacking in the fidelity/merit you describe. Thanks. Each of your essays has helped me understand these virtues a little better. Sometimes you say something that I already felt but didn’t quite know how to say yet. I had been saying for many decades, though, that I felt no obligation to be loyal or respectful to a god or goddess that clearly had no respect for me. I would rather get behind something that was not all-powerful but really did want the best for me, than an entity that was omnipotent but let some very bad things happen to good people. I suspect it is a form of vicarious machismo, inverted into masochism, that makes people cling to the latter sort of deity, but that’s just my guess.
In my experience, temp agencies and their customers are singularly lacking in the fidelity/merit you describe.

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